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THE RECORDER: Thank you.

(An excerpt from the recording of the telephone call was played)

MR KENNEDY: That’s -- that’s you, yes?
A Yes, it certainly sounds like me.

(The recording continued)

Q You said to the insurance company there “Looking at the van, it’s got a load of tools
in”?
A Yes, yes. That does sound like that’s what I said, yes.

Q And when you said that to the insurance company, you were lying, weren’t you? A I
don’t recall lying. I’m faced with two -- obviously I’ve got my recollection and my notes
and then I’ve obviously got that recording.

Q We went through that your notes were comprehensive. Yes? Didn’t we? Officer?
A Yes, you asked me, yes.

Q Yes. And we went through that you had outlined the factors informing your view that
these people were working? Yes?
A Yes.

Q Obviously tools in the van would be an obvious indicator of that? Yes?
A Yes.

Q No reference in your statement to tools?
A No. No reference to tools.

Q No reference to tools in the Magistrates’ Court? Yes?
A No. Yes, correct.

Q On the scene there you’re ringing up the insurance company saying there’s a load of
tools in there - “It’s got a load of tools in”?
A (No audible reply)

Q You — you were dishonest in your dealings with Mr Cordell, weren’t you?
A Well, I don’t believe I was, no.

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